vRF Hotfix (Genesis)

[Doink]

Character name that is submitting it (for the potential reward): Doink

Suggestion type (server/website/forum): Genesis

Suggestion content (make sure to include enough details so your suggestion is clear enough):

vRF got overbuffed and is currently outperforming every killer/dps character by such a large margin it's pointless to play anything else as a killer/dps.

• they have the best PVM performance in game without having to alter build from PVP - their pvp and pvm builds are the same
• after 2nd GR the tweaks to fix RF performance ended up scaling VRF burst damage so high they oneshot every other character besides excessively high vitality builds while being quite tanky themselves. There is no counterplay, running doesn't work as VRF sticks to targets way better than other melee characters and unlike getting iced by an ice elf you can not react with teleport other as the burst is too quick. On top of that they have built in undispellable ice from their mobility + burst skill - chain drive. This forced everyone to play insanely high vitality builds to have a chance of survival in group fights
• high vitality is only available for RF in CS resulting in vRFs dominating every other class. Tanks die in 2 hits, everything else in 1 hit. 15k vitality elf with blue fenrir, mana shield, swell and rf buff gets onetapped (chaindrive + pss skill) in CS with no counterplay by a single rf. Thanks to RF not suffering from the pitfalls of BK and SMG it is possible to assemble a pack of coordinated ragefighters and oneshot everything in your way. The only possible counter to a strat like that is another pack of ragefighters.
• Killer bk is supposed to have a similar role to VRF but unlike VRF it suffers from AOE reflect from combos and cyclone "walk back" bug pigeonholing it into a tank role (even with the 10-30% incoming damage increase). With 15k vit cap a single combo in a clump of people oneshots the BK. To top it off landing consecutive combos on the same target in a mass group fight is incredibly hard to pull off, meanwhile VRF gets all the perks of combos with just having to hold right click and cast 2 spells off cooldown in no particular order or timing while getting undispellable ice procs and sticking to target with minimal effort
• Ice arrow on the RF doesn't work - they can pounce on you through ice and keep moving with chain drive - full tank Ice elf outside of CS with close to 30k vit, blue fenrir, mana shield and swell died in 2 hits with DD procs...
• the best and only counter to VRF as of now is VRF...

We have entered a heavily dominant VRF meta where other dps classes mostly serve to buff up the RF. Every time a class gets this dominant and oppressive it negatively affects the overall gameplay and forces players to metaslave and play whatever is OP. Unless ragefighter is tweaked to fall in line with other classes we are looking at everyone being forced to play ragefighter until the next big patch (3-4 months) in order to stay competetive. Class and build diversity along with a lot of horizontal progression elements are one of oldsquads biggest selling points, most other servers function in a way where certain classes are garbage while 1-2 classes outperform everything else. I'm 100% sure it is possible to find a middleground where vRF does not over or underperform. We went from vRF being useless in PVP to being the singlehandedly easiest to use and strongest pvp and pvm class in game in a single patch.

How the suggestion can bring value: restore character diversity and viability

(Optional) How would you personally implement your suggestion (your vision).
Carefuly tweaking vRF pvp and pvm damage, potentially nerfing ignore defense. Ideally in a way so ragefighter still stays the melee assassin character/tankbuster it's meant to be but with possible counterplay.

[Garbage]

Very well explained and all points are valid. You have my vote.

[DeepHouse]

I m pretty sure when they tweaked RF , they tested and re-tested all points from ur topic. VRF yes has high dmg, but saying that s tanky , man you are desperate, sorry to say that but you just desperate. RF has the lowest def from all classes, and i m pretty sure vs a class with round build (no glass cannon dmg class) , rf it s not 1 shotting .  Does higher dmg than other classes ? Yes it does . Why ? RF has the lowest mobility (can t use fenrir on it ) , lowest def , and it s low range melee char. And saying rf it s meta.. I can bring videos with 1v1 on duel , where RF has 50% chances or less  vs DL , BK or even ELF . 

This topic it s  made to misinform the admins , and try to profit from nerfing the RF . Why ? Because you have bad players on RF`s , or they are just alts , or your people dont like to play RF . Well we like to play RF sir , and it s anyway the less played class from srv , let s ruin it  for good ah? That s what you want i guess.  

Why not tweak a bit BK ? No class can have any chance in arena 1 v1 vs bk , no matter the build u try . 

It s not about the class , it s about you guys love to cry . They nerf RF and ruin it , it s NP , we change to DL or SM or etc but you guys remain the same, same pathetic crying nerds, keyboard warrios wanna be. This will never end, STR-DL HOTFIX incoming , AGI-ELF HOTFIX incoming , etc. Cry is free brothers, i can share a tissue. Wish u all a wonderfull night

[Endorphin]

On 10/13/2024 at 8:59 PM, Doink said:

Character name that is submitting it (for the potential reward): Doink

Suggestion type (server/website/forum): Genesis

Suggestion content (make sure to include enough details so your suggestion is clear enough):

vRF got overbuffed and is currently outperforming every killer/dps character by such a large margin it's pointless to play anything else as a killer/dps.

• they have the best PVM performance in game without having to alter build from PVP - their pvp and pvm builds are the same
• after 2nd GR the tweaks to fix RF performance ended up scaling VRF burst damage so high they oneshot every other character besides excessively high vitality builds while being quite tanky themselves. There is no counterplay, running doesn't work as VRF sticks to targets way better than other melee characters and unlike getting iced by an ice elf you can not react with teleport other as the burst is too quick. On top of that they have built in undispellable ice from their mobility + burst skill - chain drive. This forced everyone to play insanely high vitality builds to have a chance of survival in group fights
• high vitality is only available for RF in CS resulting in vRFs dominating every other class. Tanks die in 2 hits, everything else in 1 hit. 15k vitality elf with blue fenrir, mana shield, swell and rf buff gets onetapped (chaindrive + pss skill) in CS with no counterplay by a single rf. Thanks to RF not suffering from the pitfalls of BK and SMG it is possible to assemble a pack of coordinated ragefighters and oneshot everything in your way. The only possible counter to a strat like that is another pack of ragefighters.
• Killer bk is supposed to have a similar role to VRF but unlike VRF it suffers from AOE reflect from combos and cyclone "walk back" bug pigeonholing it into a tank role (even with the 10-30% incoming damage increase). With 15k vit cap a single combo in a clump of people oneshots the BK. To top it off landing consecutive combos on the same target in a mass group fight is incredibly hard to pull off, meanwhile VRF gets all the perks of combos with just having to hold right click and cast 2 spells off cooldown in no particular order or timing while getting undispellable ice procs and sticking to target with minimal effort
• the best and only counter to VRF as of now is VRF...

We have entered a heavily dominant VRF meta where other dps classes mostly serve to buff up the RF. Every time a class gets this dominant and oppressive it negatively affects the overall gameplay and forces players to metaslave and play whatever is OP. Unless ragefighter is tweaked to fall in line with other classes we are looking at everyone being forced to play ragefighter until the next big patch (3-4 months) in order to stay competetive. Class and build diversity along with a lot of horizontal progression elements are one of oldsquads biggest selling points, most other servers function in a way where certain classes are garbage while 1-2 classes outperform everything else. I'm 100% sure it is possible to find a middleground where vRF does not over or underperform. We went from vRF being useless in PVP to being the singlehandedly easiest to use and strongest pvp and pvm class in game in a single patch.

How the suggestion can bring value: restore character diversity and viability

(Optional) How would you personally implement your suggestion (your vision).
Carefuly tweaking vRF pvp and pvm damage, potentially nerfing ignore defense. Ideally in a way so ragefighter still stays the melee assassin character/tankbuster it's meant to be but with possible counterplay.

Doink's letter to Santa Claus.

[Chukundah]

On 10/13/2024 at 6:59 PM, Doink said:

Character name that is submitting it (for the potential reward): Doink

Suggestion type (server/website/forum): Genesis

Suggestion content (make sure to include enough details so your suggestion is clear enough):

vRF got overbuffed and is currently outperforming every killer/dps character by such a large margin it's pointless to play anything else as a killer/dps.

• they have the best PVM performance in game without having to alter build from PVP - their pvp and pvm builds are the same
• after 2nd GR the tweaks to fix RF performance ended up scaling VRF burst damage so high they oneshot every other character besides excessively high vitality builds while being quite tanky themselves. There is no counterplay, running doesn't work as VRF sticks to targets way better than other melee characters and unlike getting iced by an ice elf you can not react with teleport other as the burst is too quick. On top of that they have built in undispellable ice from their mobility + burst skill - chain drive. This forced everyone to play insanely high vitality builds to have a chance of survival in group fights
• high vitality is only available for RF in CS resulting in vRFs dominating every other class. Tanks die in 2 hits, everything else in 1 hit. 15k vitality elf with blue fenrir, mana shield, swell and rf buff gets onetapped (chaindrive + pss skill) in CS with no counterplay by a single rf. Thanks to RF not suffering from the pitfalls of BK and SMG it is possible to assemble a pack of coordinated ragefighters and oneshot everything in your way. The only possible counter to a strat like that is another pack of ragefighters.
• Killer bk is supposed to have a similar role to VRF but unlike VRF it suffers from AOE reflect from combos and cyclone "walk back" bug pigeonholing it into a tank role (even with the 10-30% incoming damage increase). With 15k vit cap a single combo in a clump of people oneshots the BK. To top it off landing consecutive combos on the same target in a mass group fight is incredibly hard to pull off, meanwhile VRF gets all the perks of combos with just having to hold right click and cast 2 spells off cooldown in no particular order or timing while getting undispellable ice procs and sticking to target with minimal effort
• the best and only counter to VRF as of now is VRF...

We have entered a heavily dominant VRF meta where other dps classes mostly serve to buff up the RF. Every time a class gets this dominant and oppressive it negatively affects the overall gameplay and forces players to metaslave and play whatever is OP. Unless ragefighter is tweaked to fall in line with other classes we are looking at everyone being forced to play ragefighter until the next big patch (3-4 months) in order to stay competetive. Class and build diversity along with a lot of horizontal progression elements are one of oldsquads biggest selling points, most other servers function in a way where certain classes are garbage while 1-2 classes outperform everything else. I'm 100% sure it is possible to find a middleground where vRF does not over or underperform. We went from vRF being useless in PVP to being the singlehandedly easiest to use and strongest pvp and pvm class in game in a single patch.

How the suggestion can bring value: restore character diversity and viability

(Optional) How would you personally implement your suggestion (your vision).
Carefuly tweaking vRF pvp and pvm damage, potentially nerfing ignore defense. Ideally in a way so ragefighter still stays the melee assassin character/tankbuster it's meant to be but with possible counterplay.

why cry? u cant even play ur bk and win PVP , i fight vs RF's and i win duels , so all the crap u write is false and only crying.

get rekt and get better crying wont help

[Knightmare]

SM fairs well vs RF, can kill most unless they 54rr 2gr and have best in slot everything. I think what Doink the sped really wants is all classes nerfed so his BK isnt ass idk

[Doink]

3 hours ago, DeepHouse said:

I m pretty sure when they tweaked RF , they tested and re-tested all points from ur topic. VRF yes has high dmg, but saying that s tanky , man you are desperate, sorry to say that but you just desperate. RF has the lowest def from all classes, and i m pretty sure vs a class with round build (no glass cannon dmg class) , rf it s not 1 shotting .  Does higher dmg than other classes ? Yes it does . Why ? RF has the lowest mobility (can t use fenrir on it ) , lowest def , and it s low range melee char. And saying rf it s meta.. I can bring videos with 1v1 on duel , where RF has 50% chances or less  vs DL , BK or even ELF . 

This topic it s  made to misinform the admins , and try to profit from nerfing the RF . Why ? Because you have bad players on RF`s , or they are just alts , or your people dont like to play RF . Well we like to play RF sir , and it s anyway the less played class from srv , let s ruin it  for good ah? That s what you want i guess.  

Why not tweak a bit BK ? No class can have any chance in arena 1 v1 vs bk , no matter the build u try . 

It s not about the class , it s about you guys love to cry . They nerf RF and ruin it , it s NP , we change to DL or SM or etc but you guys remain the same, same pathetic crying nerds, keyboard warrios wanna be. This will never end, STR-DL HOTFIX incoming , AGI-ELF HOTFIX incoming , etc. Cry is free brothers, i can share a tissue. Wish u all a wonderfull night

What a wild coincidence that 1/3rd of your active players already switched to RF and more and more are selling their characters and leveling/gearing vRFs e.g. @Knightmare. Tweaked, tested and perfectly balanced just as fenrir BK last patch - which your guild happened to "cry" about on forums. Despite us having more BKs at the time I did not spread misinformation in a pathetic attempt to hold onto our advantage, unlike you I want what's best for the health of the game. I was advocating for a RF buff when RF was clearly underperforming, check the post about fenrir BK

[Dominic]

5RFs designated to be at bottom sw (Castle siege). All having ice on enemy stamper... For CS something could be done. I would say the least is to have possbile to remove ice with antidotes (in CS only)

Its good they get their glory time after long period of being worst char in game but in time will need some balance for sure.

We will make some more RF sets and bring cs 10v10 RF - no problem  lets all ragefight - will be fun for some time but eventually boring for sure

[Knightmare]

u ban vRF few CS ago and lose by 26k points..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................🤡....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................🤡.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................🤡........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ loser cry is free

[Chukundah]

45 minutes ago, Dominic said:

5RFs designated to be at bottom sw (Castle siege). All having ice on enemy stamper... For CS something could be done. I would say the least is to have possbile to remove ice with antidotes (in CS only)

Its good they get their glory time after long period of being worst char in game but in time will need some balance for sure.

We will make some more RF sets and bring cs 10v10 RF - no problem  lets all ragefight - will be fun for some time but eventually boring for sure

looool this as too be the most crying post i ever seen , now even want to cry and nerf CS strats .. this clowns are something else 

[Profighter]

really don't understand what he want to say or trying to convince about vRFs are powerful , this post is just ................................................................................

........................................................... well even ,   with Vit RFs banned and - 20k points couldn't  help u out and now what you are trying it prove here bro ? u are not even good enough with ur BK /DL u need to kill newbis like SantaCame with erf/ sum(ref)/ ebk/ SM (MS)  all buffs  what u want to take rewards from this post lolz  well  RIP bro ❤️

[Alex.]

I'm not saying that RF won't require some rebalancing done. But one question.

How can you talk about class balance, when you haven't even hit max reset.

And its not even about you. There are not enough ppl with max resets to test anything at the moment.

 

Yea, the VIT meta you are talking about, i do agree. VIT should be nerfed in my opinion for all classes. BUT again, ur talking about a non-existant meta. 

2GR 55RR has not been hit yet to have enough data. At that point, vrf COULD (not saying it will) be killed instantly, before it gets to one shot you.

 

[Endorphin]

5 hours ago, Doink said:

What a wild coincidence that 1/3rd of your active players already switched to RF and more and more are selling their characters and leveling/gearing vRFs e.g. @Knightmare. Tweaked, tested and perfectly balanced just as fenrir BK last patch - which your guild happened to "cry" about on forums. Despite us having more BKs at the time I did not spread misinformation in a pathetic attempt to hold onto our advantage, unlike you I want what's best for the health of the game. I was advocating for a RF buff when RF was clearly underperforming, check the post about fenrir BK

If you will check the rf rank you will find those rfs from my guild: me, Profighter, Glowa, Scocyecu, eRoby, SushyRF and PACQUIAO. Which of them changed their class in rf or made it from alt a main character? and dont worry, not all of them are active in this period.
If my char is so powerful why I or other rf will never win arena tournament?!

[alegzander]

VRf Is finally well balanced and you started to cry because you can`t win cs vs 5 rf . what a joke :))), You can bring any VRF from your guild..and they will all lose vs DL, Bk, Ae even vs str mg. How can you say vrf its op . 

[Spawn]

From start i know what will happen if somebody will start this theme, so i try to write to admin and Gion, not for another "pro players"

 

For @Gion @ADMIN

Problem RF its in him attackspeed - he just no have it and you put all him dps in 1 hit. Two RF approach any target and deal 1 hit each, after which the target dies.. For the rest of charters you need to focus target fell seconds for killing their. When you fight 1 vs 1 its no so evidence, but when fight become massive, RF become imba. For RF you need just press 1 time on target and after run away. You increase DPS on RF, you increase range for RF and thats its result. In sum with lags on CS + a lot of charters in same locations its a imbalance, RF became a GOD with 1 click gameplay and run away. 

I see here 2 solutions, 1 crazy (put on rest of charters same mechanics what not depend of the attack speed like DL-Fire Brust, SM,eMG- lighting. Sum-Life Drain or ice etc.) make this skill same, 50k dps from 1 hit and we will fight same ) 
second solutions its make RF depend of the Attack Speed, make him main skill from gloves skill, save him DPS but  make it 1 click on the target = 2-3k damage, let him focus charters like another 

[alegzander]

u guys are so cringe....Vrf same rr same set vs others its one of the worst chars pvp. lowest def in game, lowest mobility in game, if you move one square ..he will miss his attack. easiest char to kite him. Better try some new strategies when you play cs..or maybe bring more alts :)) make cs 50 vs 50 so you can vpn 3-4 alts each.

[Spawn]

35 minutes ago, alegzander said:

Vrf same rr same set vs others its one of the worst chars pvp. lowest def in game,

Thats lies -BK have the same or even worse def, but both have x2-x3 more HP that rest of classes

35 minutes ago, alegzander said:

lowest mobility in game

 Again lies - this only matters if you are competing in a race from point A to point B. In PvP RF have priority, he faster shortens distance and no need to correct his position. 

35 minutes ago, alegzander said:

he will miss his attack

whattt ? Couldn't you think of something better?

35 minutes ago, alegzander said:

easiest char to kite him.

Lies,  what pvp ending with kite ? if we talk about run, all chars can run but fight always ends face to face, and ONLY RF can shot u when u run and BK ) 

Three arguments and all lie

 

[alegzander]

come duel me..with any rf u want..probably will be 10-0 for me..dont talk nonsense, you can make any tests you want..rf 1v1 never be in top 3.

[Spawn]

2 minutes ago, alegzander said:

come duel me..with any rf u want..probably will be 10-0 for me..dont talk nonsense, you can make any tests you want..rf 1v1 never in top 3.

 

39 minutes ago, Spawn said:

 When you fight 1 vs 1 its no so evidence, but when fight become massive, RF become imba.

 

39 minutes ago, Spawn said:

Two RF approach any target and deal 1 hit each, after which the target dies

 

[alegzander]

mate ...i think u got some mental issues, same logic applies to any 2 chars vs 1... of course if u get ganged 2v1 u die instant,  its all about coordonation,, something that u guys dont have in cs..you lack communication, of course u will think rf its op :))